McB chimes in about refocusing on the real issue

	Duration: 09:26 minutes Upload Time: 07-08-17 22:29:02 User: MacBraveheart :::: Favorites
Description: Well... It was pending, wasn't it? I had made a couple of videos asking folk to reconsider their chosen tactic for helping Jesari and others in that position and never made them public. For why? Thought we'd all move on. And now some odd (as in "here and there" and not as in "funny peculiar") accusations are being levelled against various "interested" parties by various other interested parties. I seek clarity, request tolerance and refocus. So sue me- I am an idealist! LOL! Refocusing on the REAL issue (the lack of ANY communication about methods used by YT) would help us achieve our goal (for an adequate ToS which protects us and "them"). We are the pioneer "guinea pigs" so let us behave as such- responsible, approachable, and above all else- reasonable. Let us be able to say: "I was part of the brave new way of managing the community"! Peace y'all!
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Lethesunshine ::: Favorites Well said!!! How did you get to be so smart? I gravitate towards your intelligence. Re-focus is the key word here. (((Hugs))) ~Mimi~ 07-08-17 23:41:28 _____________________________________________________
SamzyH ::: Favorites Very interesting indeed! Is there an error in the given premise of YT users and their "relationship" with YouTube? We are not co-workers, just because we are content providers. That leap is too great. We are users of a service for which we pay nothing, so there is no business:customer relationship either. We have no context for justifiable complaint. Fascinating.. still pondering! :) 07-08-18 08:15:05 _____________________________________________________
MacBraveheart ::: Favorites As providers of content it may be argued that we are a volunteer workforce. Whether or not that classes us as as "co-workers" is highly debatable. As a volunteer moderator I "worked" for EA but was not a "co-worker" of paid staff. BIG difference. There is a legal "relationship". It is called the ToS. And therefore we do have "context" in law. If we did not we'd not be asked to agree to a ToS. :) 07-08-18 13:34:45 _____________________________________________________
DynaCatlovesme ::: Favorites Overall, I can say I completely agree. At the end, however you asked "Why don't we help [YouTube]?" First, YT dosen't show any indication of willingness to be helped, and second, there is a fairly large number of lunitics here who only exist to make the YT experience miserable. This latter group is certainly not about to help in any way. 07-08-18 20:30:51 _____________________________________________________
MacBraveheart ::: Favorites I think we need to help OURSELVES. Ultimately it is You Tube, The Community, which benefits from an adequate ToS. Oddly enough I have just discovered a VERY comprehensive one over on Unsigned. WOW! I can safely say that every aspect of complaint is covered from BOTH angles AND the third party one! VERY thorough. 07-08-19 10:13:37 _____________________________________________________
DynaCatlovesme ::: Favorites Sorry, but I haven't a clue what "Unsigned" is. 07-08-19 10:32:38 _____________________________________________________
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MacBraveheart ::: Favorites Well I just discovered it last night- unsigned DOT com is a site for unsigned musicians to profile themselves on. Their artist and site terms are reams long! I have a plan to ask You Tube to consider looking at beefing their own out more. 07-08-19 10:38:35 _____________________________________________________
MacBraveheart ::: Favorites Not everyone has to participate in improving the You Tube experience. But those who DO wish to see improvement could take some responsibility...? I know I will. I saw my experience on another forum being asked for and ultimately included into the forum's rules. THAT is the sort of stuff I am talking about. And You Tube rely on feedback which is where their wisdom lies. 07-08-19 10:16:14 _____________________________________________________
DynaCatlovesme ::: Favorites Does YT reky on feedback? Whenever I send them any, I either get no reply, or a reply that says "not our responsibility," and a link to the TOS. 07-08-19 10:34:30 _____________________________________________________
MacBraveheart ::: Favorites Yes, any company working in unfamiliar territory do "reky" feedback. You Tube is no different. I have never been ignored by them yet and not ONCE have I been told to go away and not bother them. SOME folk there do take their jobs seriously. Thinking on it- it cannot be easy to sort out the good helpful feedback from the nonsense though, right? There IS hope! 07-08-19 10:40:31 _____________________________________________________
DynaCatlovesme ::: Favorites Well, I just finished sending five emails and the feedback form asking why, oh why, do they refuse to enforse their own TOS, quoting the exact words of the TOS, and giving examples. Let's see what happens. I'm betting nothing. 07-08-19 11:37:31 _____________________________________________________
DynaCatlovesme ::: Favorites reky = really 07-08-19 10:41:44 _____________________________________________________
MacBraveheart ::: Favorites ""really" on feedback"? I am loooost! LOL! I thought you meant "recking" as in "heeding". Or relying on. 07-08-19 12:36:21 _____________________________________________________
DynaCatlovesme ::: Favorites Sorry, I had only had two sips of my morning coffee at the time! What I meant was: Does YT really rely on feedback? 07-08-19 13:21:11 _____________________________________________________
MacBraveheart ::: Favorites Hehe- I hear you. And those two sips must have worked because I understood what you had meant after all. Yeah- they do. Will do even more once they get the hang of the animal. 07-08-19 15:22:33 _____________________________________________________
vitalfinds ::: Favorites I think that there are two distinctly different issues. One is with how YT handles people, which is pretty miserable, but imho, there is an issue involving adult conduct. YT could do a much better job managing both of these issues. 07-08-19 10:38:38 _____________________________________________________
MacBraveheart ::: Favorites The issue was YT's own conduct toward channel owners, right? Adult conduct is something I cannot begin to comment on as I find so much on the internet reprehensible to say the least. Sadly YT is no different. And YT management will need to address their conduct/method AND that of their "product", agreed. :) Did you get my PM Laurie? 07-08-19 10:44:29 _____________________________________________________
vitalfinds ::: Favorites Yes, I just replied and was able to get much more detailed than I was able to in the comment. Overall, I agree with you. 07-08-19 10:58:23 _____________________________________________________
MacBraveheart ::: Favorites Coolios- I am responding to you now. 07-08-19 11:16:32 _____________________________________________________